nu de har tilkaldt hollands ambassadĂžr i Teheran: Fitna tekstet pĂ„ farsi (persisk). Den findes intil videre pĂ„ tolv sprog (Updated List of âFitnaâ Download Sites)
 Ayaan Hirsi Ali on Fitna
 Ayaan Hirsi Ali is targeting the Dutch government for its incompetent handling of Geert Wilderâs documentary Fitna. In an interview with Jyllands-Posten she criticizes the government for having tried to stop a movie that it hadnât seen, a movie that it denounced without knowing its content and a movie that had the government prepare evacuation plans for its citizens in the Muslim world.  […]
Ayaan Hirsi Ali thinks that a far more controversial cartoon animation is in the making in the Netherlands. The apostate and former member of the Social Democratic party Ehsan Jami is preparing an animation about the violent and oppressive character of the prophet Muhammed. According to reports from the Netherlands the movie will depict Muhammed with an erection in the company of a six year old girl.
âIf the Dutch government wants to concern itself with movies, this should be it. It may cause a tsunami of reactions in Europe and the rest of the world.â Fl. Rose
Anerkendelse til Fitna fra hĂžjst forskellig side
De sidste par dage har vi kunnet se Wilders’ film angrebet dels for ikke at handle om alle muslimer pĂ„ Ă©n gang, men om nogle pĂ„trĂŠngende problemer, dels for det hĂ„ndvĂŠrksmĂŠssige – en ny undvigemanĂžvre har vundet indpas, nemlig den hĂ„nlige affĂŠrdigelse af islamkritiks hĂ„ndvĂŠrksmĂŠssige og kunstneriske niveau. Endelig ser man eksempler pĂ„ de evindelige ‘eksperter’ der ser filmen i rette lys, omend fra sĂ„ forskelligt udgangspunkt som tĂŠnkes kan:
Et Ăžjenbryn hĂŠves pĂ„ den anerkendte israelske islam-forsker Moshe Sharon, da han pĂ„ en hjemmeside lĂŠser om den hollandske regerings afstandtagen fra Geert Wildersâ film, âFitnaâ. SĂ„ popper nyheden om EU-formandens kritik af filmen frem pĂ„ skĂŠrmen. Det fĂ„r iransk-fĂždte Moshe Sharon, der under sine studier har tilbragt Ă„revis i samliv med muslimske beduinstammer pĂ„ Sinai-halvĂžen til at rĂžmme sig. Han Ăžnsker at kommentere sagen.
â Det er mĂŠrkeligt, at europĂŠerne selv kritiserer Geert Wilders film sĂ„ hĂ„rdt, siger Moshe Sharon. Hvorfor? â Fordi filmen rent faktuelt er 100 procent korrekt. Korancitaterne er prĂŠcise, og intet er taget ud af en sammenhĂŠng. Men ogsĂ„ fordi den blot er en gentagelse af, hvad muslimer selv offentliggĂžr pĂ„ deres egne hjemmesider. I Ăžvrigt er debatten mellem muslimer langt hĂ„rdere end den debat, der finder sted mellem ikke-muslimer og muslimer.
Er filmen efter din mening som ekspert pĂ„ omrĂ„det generaliserende over for islam? â Jeg forstĂ„r godt spĂžrgsmĂ„let og ved, at mange muslimer fĂžler sig ydmyget af filmen, fordi de ikke tilslutter sig den militante islam. Men ikke desto mindre er det denne form for islam, der i dag anslĂ„r tonen. Det er wahhabisme, Osama bin Laden, salafi-islam og andre fundamentalister, der reprĂŠsenterer islam i dag. Ikke de moderate muslimer, der selvfĂžlgelig ogsĂ„ findes. Ekspert: Wilders-film er holdbar
Den indlysende pointe at Wilders dokumenterer jihadisters egen sammenkĂŠdning af Koranen og deres ugerninger, snarere end han postulerer en sĂ„dan sammenhĂŠng, skulle logisk nok betyde at samme jihadister kunne acceptere filmen langt hen ad vejen, hvis instruktĂžrens kritiske tilgang til emnet blev fjernet fra den. I flere af de viste sekvenser er det endog jihadister der har fĂžrt kameraet, som i klippet med en halshugning. NĂ„r de islamofile derfor kritiserer filmen, har det derfor udspring i deres manglende evne eller vilje til at se den korrekt, ikke i billederne eller Wilders’ montage af dem. En bekrĂŠftelse af dette kommer fra uventet side, men altsĂ„ logisk nok set i dette lys (via Jihad Watch) (LFPC):
Omar Bakri, the Libyan-based radical Muslim cleric who is barred from Britain, did not think the film was very offensive. “On the contrary, if we leave out the first images and the sound of the page being torn, it could be a film by the [Islamist] Mujahideen,” he said. […] Muslim reaction to Dutch film is muted
»Islamiseringsbarometret«
(New English Review) As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2. 7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.They will push for the introduction of halaal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris — car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam — Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of “Dar-es-Salaam” — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%
Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
“Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world. And all of us against the infidel. — Leon Uris, “The Haj”…
Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat NER
OvenstĂ„ende er en beskrivelse af hvordan det er gĂ„et. Ikke hvordan det nĂždvendigvis vil gĂ„. Koorektioner modtages gerne, dog ikke pĂ„ procenterne, der bygger pĂ„ CIA Factbook, og derfor er omtrentlige. Hvis nogen vil pĂ„vise, at det hele kun er “fobi”, ville det skam kun vĂŠre dejligt.
Det uendelige potentiale for krĂŠnkelser
Det er beklageligt at debatten om ting der opfattes som ‘krĂŠnkende’ for muslimer efterhĂ„nden er reduceret til spĂžrgsmĂ„let om hvad vi kan tillade os at gĂžre, som at tegne Muhammed eller lave film om hans bevĂŠgelse. Beklageligt, fordi der tilsyneladende herved er opstĂ„et en opfattelse af at muslimers vrede skyldes noget vi har gjort forkert. Glemt er tilsyneladende de mange bizarre historier om banale fĂŠnomener eller genstande fra den vestlige kulturkreds som har udlĂžst vrede af mere eller mindre forstĂ„elige grunde. En fĂžlge har derfor vĂŠret, at debat om og fokus pĂ„ det forhold, at vi for at undgĂ„ disse krĂŠnkelser mĂ„tte lĂŠgge urimeligt bĂ„nd pĂ„ os selv, glimrer ved sit fravĂŠr. Ărgerligt, fordi disse forhold taget under Ă©t med de mere spektakulĂŠre sager om tegninger m.v. ville tydeliggĂžre, at vi stĂ„r over for en alvorlig udfordring af vores frihed, ikke bare et spĂžrgsmĂ„l om at vise respekt, hvorefter alt vil blive godt igen. Og selv om det var sĂ„ enkelt, ville det stadig forudsĂŠtte en kollektiv besindelse fra onde islamofober som os, en besindelse som i virkelighedens verden aldrig kommer.
Alt dette er selvfĂžlgelig velkendt stof for vores lĂŠsere, men det kan vĂŠre interessant, synes jeg, at hive nogle af de groteske sager frem fra glemslen. Jeg har her (gen)fundet et lille udvalg fra The List of Things That Offend Muslims – hvis dette ikke var eksempler pĂ„ en mere og mere pĂ„trĂŠngende virkelighed ville det have en vis surreel underholdningsvĂŠrdi (LFPC):
British prison officers who wore a St. George’s Cross tie-pin have been ticked off by the jails watchdog over concerns about the symbol’s racist connotations. Race fears spark St. George ban
Cone-demned … ‘spinning whirl’ ice creams look similar to the world Allah written in Arabic script The Sun
British banks are banning piggy banks because they may offend some Muslims. Piggy banks ‘offend UK Muslims’
A school in Amsterdam has halted lessons on rural life because the Islamic children refused to talk about pigs. School Scraps Nature Course As Pigs Enrage Muslim Pupils
Muslim medical students are refusing to obey hygiene rules brought in to stop the spread of deadly superbugs, because they say it is against their religion. Female Muslim medics ‘disobey hygiene rules’
Bulgaria, an interesting example. From what I have found doing a bit of searching is that Islam was quite brutally suppressed during Communism, with Muslims being ‘encouraged’ to assimilate with the ethnic Bulgarians. Hence relations with the non-Communist Muslim world largely do not predate 1989, when the Iron Curtain fell, and Bulgaria opened its borders to Europe. Until then, the Sunnis of Bulgaria appear to have developed their own peaceful identity, with no outside wahabist imams and jihadists being able to ‘radicalize’ them, i.e., turn them back to ‘pure’, doctrinal Islam. The crucial issue now, post-1989, is whether this traditional,… Read more »
Fremragende. Det er alles frygt. Og fordi at man kan nĂŠvne et par eksempler, hvor det her og nu ikke ser sĂ„ sort ud er odds’ene stadig utĂ„lelige. De gode eksempler er anomalierne.
“What we lack is a counter example of a Western democracy that consistently and assertively has kept Islam within well defined limits, and rejected attempts to accommodate demands for concessions.”
Bulgaria? 12,2% muslimer.
Det jeg gerne vil sige, er, at nogen gange nĂ„r politikere trĂŠder frem i medierne, sĂ„ opfĂžrer de sig og taler de som var vi stadigvĂŠk i 1960’erne. Det er lidt som at se en “Far til fire” film lavet om til politisk satire. Det er ret enfoldigt, synes jeg. Og fatalt.
LFPC skriver: “They seem to assume that if only we would talk nicely, things would turn out fine. In my experience, the barriers against getting the obvious point across that this is not the case are insurmountable. For whatever reasons, suppression of unpleasant facts or whatever, most people do not want to face this fact, but will have to learn the truth the hard way.” (Jeg skriver pĂ„ dansk for det er jeg helt klart bedst til) Udover tone-tyranni og en udbredt respektfetichisme der stadigvĂŠk fĂ„r lov til at stĂ„ i vejen for at flere fĂ„r Ăžjnene op for det… Read more »
What we lack is a counter example of a Western democracy that consistently and assertively has kept Islam within well defined limits, and rejected attempts to accommodate demands for concessions. For a variety of reasons, such as a perceived clash with our own ideals, international law, not to mention naivety about the nature of Islam, no such policy has ever been instated as far as I know. We simply lack empirical data on the viability of such an approach. And yet, perhaps Turkey or Israel do provide us with significant clues: Turkey, for decades quasi secularized under the banner of… Read more »
I largely agree with Esther that we should not generalized too much. But I also agree with Steen that Islam is intrinsically intolerant of competing political-religious paradigms, and that the risk of trouble rises with the percentages. It seems to me that Muslims are not so much offended by Islamosceptic utterances, but simply by any situation in which Islam is not dominant. Throughout the history of Islam, respect has been enforced by domination. As the result of this cultural heritage, any lack of respect is perceived as a lack of dominance. This ‘unjust situation’ then legitimizes jihad against the ‘offenders’,… Read more »
I agree that this breakdown in specific percentages probably obfuscates rather than clarifies. And “State run cleansing and genocide,” last I checked, had not been instituted in, say, Morocco or Jordan. Nor have they been even in Iraq, where I believe the ethnic cleansing is perpetrated by the militias, not by state authorities per se. Nevertheless, numbers do matter, although not in this simplistic way. What you could say about Jordan or Egypt, for example, is that even without the state actively participating in genocide, a high percentage at some point will render state power impotent, even assuming it wanted… Read more »
But that’s exactly my point. You can’t look at France and say, there’s 8% Muslims there so Muslims must demand more than in the US, or that France and the Netherlands are even facing the same issues. You need to look at Paris and say, there’s 7.38% Muslims there, and France has a very strong separation of church and state. Then you look at Amsterdam and say that there’s 24% Muslims there, and a national policy of allowing private schools for different denominations. What I’m saying is, if you’re serious then you can’t generalize like that. The only generalization I’m… Read more »
You wrote in your own blog 2007 :Paris – 7.38% (155,000 of 2.1 million) (EUMAP)
http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2007/11/muslim-population-in-european-cities.html
Thats the number other sources sets for the whole of France, whereas it must be a great deal more in Paris. So I dont really get that particular part your point. Besides that, the whole thing is hardly meant to be taken too litterally, but more : does one recognize the larger picture?
This ‘breakdown’ completely ignores both reality, and the more important data of demographics, population spread and national policy on schools etc which might affect what Muslims want. The US, Australia, and Canada regularly feature on the news with demands and requirements, despite having less than 2% Muslims. Conversions and missionizing in jails happens anywhere there is a Muslim prisoner population. The countries which suffered terror attacks or terror attempts, are spread all over your chart. Same goes for female genital mutilation and honor murders (which are based more on ethnicity) Former British colonies such as India and Israel have different… Read more »