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		<title>By: Bjovulf</title>
		<link>http://snaphanen.dk/2009/08/08/debunking-bbcs-debunking/#comment-135115</link>
		<dc:creator>Bjovulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Billedet af Napoleon Seidenfaden er lidt større her ;-)</description>
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<p>Billedet af Napoleon Seidenfaden er lidt større her <img src='http://snaphanen.dk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bjovulf</title>
		<link>http://snaphanen.dk/2009/08/08/debunking-bbcs-debunking/#comment-135114</link>
		<dc:creator>Bjovulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Der er vist et par fejl i dit link, Janne (mellemrum),
men man kan også se billedet her:  (lidt mere end halvvejs nede)

http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Napoleon-I-of-France

Og jo, det ligner sgu &quot;vores allesammens&quot; Tøger-tosse på en prik - 
selv den selvoptagne attitude.

Det kan da næppe være helt tilfældigt, hva? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Der er vist et par fejl i dit link, Janne (mellemrum),<br />
men man kan også se billedet her:  (lidt mere end halvvejs nede)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Napoleon-I-of-France" rel="nofollow">http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Napoleon-I-of-France</a></p>
<p>Og jo, det ligner sgu &#8220;vores allesammens&#8221; Tøger-tosse på en prik &#8211;<br />
selv den selvoptagne attitude.</p>
<p>Det kan da næppe være helt tilfældigt, hva? <img src='http://snaphanen.dk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nicolas Krebs</title>
		<link>http://snaphanen.dk/2009/08/08/debunking-bbcs-debunking/#comment-135105</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicolas Krebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nicolas Krebs:&quot; (LFPC)

Thank you for publishing my previous comment.

&quot;My guess is that you do not read Danish, and if you have indeed read what I wrote in this post it has in all likelihood been through poor machine translation.&quot;

You are right.

&quot;I mentioned a few facts that do seem to indicate that the rise in Muslim minorities is higher than usually acknowledged, such as the popularity of the name Muhammad among newborns in major cities of Europe.&quot;

And you quoted two articles by Adrian Michaels, which are not currently debunked by as many article as the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Muslim demographics&lt;/a&gt; video, but it could change in the next weeks. Tips: try to find the &quot;US’s Migration Policy Institute [study claiming that] residents of Muslim faith will account for more than 20 per cent of the EU population by 2050&quot;.

&quot;But Nicolas, you never got that far, did you? You don’t even know what the sentence in Danish that you quote means, right? I’ll tell you: it reads “The BBC ought to ask themselves why in the world we are having this debate in the first place, and why Islam dominates the news media as much as it does, if indeed the present percentages are so insignificant?”

A bit too subtle for your machine translation, eh?&quot;

No. http://translate.google.com/translate_t?text=BBC+burde+starte+med+at+sp%C3%B8rge+sig+selv+om+hvorfor+i+alverden+vi+har+denne+diskussion+i+f%C3%B8rste+omgang%2C+og+hvorfor+islam+fylder+s%C3%A5+meget+i+medierne+som+den+g%C3%B8r%2C+n%C3%A5r+nu+de+nuv%C3%A6rende+procentsatser+er+s%C3%A5+sm%C3%A5%3F&amp;file=&amp;sl=da&amp;tl=en translate into &quot;The BBC should start to wonder about why on earth we have this discussion in the first place and why Islam fills as much of the media as it does, now that the current percentages are so small?&quot;

&quot;You only came across this site because you were googling the topic&quot;

Good catch.

&quot;and you drew your conclusions from my headline in English.&quot;

Wrong. I carefully chosen the sentence I answered (which was in a section titled &quot;Debunking BBC’s debunking&quot;).

&quot;the arrogant dismissal of problems related to Islam&quot;

Actually, I focus on dismissing the Europeans-haters who claim that Europeans are neutered Untermechen overtaken by Muslims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nicolas Krebs:&#8221; (LFPC)</p>
<p>Thank you for publishing my previous comment.</p>
<p>&#8220;My guess is that you do not read Danish, and if you have indeed read what I wrote in this post it has in all likelihood been through poor machine translation.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are right.</p>
<p>&#8220;I mentioned a few facts that do seem to indicate that the rise in Muslim minorities is higher than usually acknowledged, such as the popularity of the name Muhammad among newborns in major cities of Europe.&#8221;</p>
<p>And you quoted two articles by Adrian Michaels, which are not currently debunked by as many article as the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU" rel="nofollow">Muslim demographics</a> video, but it could change in the next weeks. Tips: try to find the &#8220;US’s Migration Policy Institute [study claiming that] residents of Muslim faith will account for more than 20 per cent of the EU population by 2050&#8243;.</p>
<p>&#8220;But Nicolas, you never got that far, did you? You don’t even know what the sentence in Danish that you quote means, right? I’ll tell you: it reads “The BBC ought to ask themselves why in the world we are having this debate in the first place, and why Islam dominates the news media as much as it does, if indeed the present percentages are so insignificant?”</p>
<p>A bit too subtle for your machine translation, eh?&#8221;</p>
<p>No. <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t?text=BBC+burde+starte+med+at+sp%C3%B8rge+sig+selv+om+hvorfor+i+alverden+vi+har+denne+diskussion+i+f%C3%B8rste+omgang%2C+og+hvorfor+islam+fylder+s%C3%A5+meget+i+medierne+som+den+g%C3%B8r%2C+n%C3%A5r+nu+de+nuv%C3%A6rende+procentsatser+er+s%C3%A5+sm%C3%A5%3F&amp;file=&amp;sl=da&amp;tl=en" rel="nofollow">http://translate.google.com/translate_t?text=BBC+burde+starte+med+at+s p%C3%B8rge+sig+selv+om+hvorfor+i+alverden+vi+har+denne+diskussion+i+f% C3%B8rste+omgang%2C+og+hvorfor+islam+fylder+s%C3%A5+meget+i+medierne+s om+den+g%C3%B8r%2C+n%C3%A5r+nu+de+nuv%C3%A6rende+procentsatser+er+s%C3 %A5+sm%C3%A5%3F&amp;file=&amp;sl=da&amp;tl=en</a> translate into &#8220;The BBC should start to wonder about why on earth we have this discussion in the first place and why Islam fills as much of the media as it does, now that the current percentages are so small?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You only came across this site because you were googling the topic&#8221;</p>
<p>Good catch.</p>
<p>&#8220;and you drew your conclusions from my headline in English.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wrong. I carefully chosen the sentence I answered (which was in a section titled &#8220;Debunking BBC’s debunking&#8221;).</p>
<p>&#8220;the arrogant dismissal of problems related to Islam&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, I focus on dismissing the Europeans-haters who claim that Europeans are neutered Untermechen overtaken by Muslims.</p>
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		<title>By: LFPC</title>
		<link>http://snaphanen.dk/2009/08/08/debunking-bbcs-debunking/#comment-135090</link>
		<dc:creator>LFPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicolas Krebs:

My guess is that you do not read Danish, and if you have indeed read what I wrote in this post it has in all likelihood been through poor machine translation. In any case I do &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; make a case about the YouTube video being correct. In fact this site has on previous occasions distanced itself from it. 

But this point was lost in your machine translation, right? Right?

My point revolved around the fact that what matters to Europeans is not first and foremost the magical 51% Muslim majority. I criticized the basic assumptions of the BBC and their refusal to acknowledge the worsening situation in European cities, and I mentioned a few facts that do seem to indicate that the rise in Muslim minorities is higher than usually acknowledged, such as the popularity of the name Muhammad among newborns in major cities of Europe.

But Nicolas, you never got that far, did you? You don&#039;t even know what the sentence in Danish that you quote means, right? I&#039;ll tell you: it reads &quot;The BBC ought to ask themselves why in the world we are having this debate in the first place, and why Islam dominates the news media as much as it does, if indeed the present percentages are so insignificant?&quot;

A bit too subtle for your machine translation, eh?

You only came across this site because you were googling the topic, and you drew your conclusions from my headline in English. Googling you reveals a well known type of obstructor of debates: The nitpicking, the arrogant dismissal of problems related to Islam, and the caricature summaries of the views of your opponents:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Nicolas Krebs said...

    &quot;Yes I do.&quot; (Cesar Tort)

    Acknowledged.

    &quot;there are new authors (mentioned in subtitle) who don&#039;t focus on Bat Ye&#039;or&#039;s theory.&quot;

    Indeed. In the above article of you, there are Oriana Fallaci who did see the Eurabia strategy as &quot;the biggest conspiracy that modern history has created&quot; and support Bat Ye&#039;or&#039;s claims, Bruce Bawer who wrote &quot;Islam experts like Bat Ye’or&quot;, Daniel Pipes quoting Bat Ye&#039;or too, but there are other authors not quoting Bat Ye&#039;or, like Oriana Fallaci claiming that &quot;Muslims breed like rabbits&quot;, Robert Spencer &amp; Daniel Pipes who not really like Europeans, Bruce Bawer who complain about all european Muslims being Homosexuals-hater because one time he saw a Muslim beating a gay in Nederland, Mark Steyn who wrote that &quot;Europeans are worse than cockroaches&quot;. A nice bunch of guys, isn&#039;t it?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://caesartort.blogspot.com/2009/01/eurabia_11.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The West&#039;s darkest hour: Eurabia&lt;/a&gt;

You clearly scour the Web for debates such as this, and then pretend to dismiss the whole debate by being a smartass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicolas Krebs:</p>
<p>My guess is that you do not read Danish, and if you have indeed read what I wrote in this post it has in all likelihood been through poor machine translation. In any case I do <em>not</em> make a case about the YouTube video being correct. In fact this site has on previous occasions distanced itself from it. </p>
<p>But this point was lost in your machine translation, right? Right?</p>
<p>My point revolved around the fact that what matters to Europeans is not first and foremost the magical 51% Muslim majority. I criticized the basic assumptions of the BBC and their refusal to acknowledge the worsening situation in European cities, and I mentioned a few facts that do seem to indicate that the rise in Muslim minorities is higher than usually acknowledged, such as the popularity of the name Muhammad among newborns in major cities of Europe.</p>
<p>But Nicolas, you never got that far, did you? You don&#8217;t even know what the sentence in Danish that you quote means, right? I&#8217;ll tell you: it reads &#8220;The BBC ought to ask themselves why in the world we are having this debate in the first place, and why Islam dominates the news media as much as it does, if indeed the present percentages are so insignificant?&#8221;</p>
<p>A bit too subtle for your machine translation, eh?</p>
<p>You only came across this site because you were googling the topic, and you drew your conclusions from my headline in English. Googling you reveals a well known type of obstructor of debates: The nitpicking, the arrogant dismissal of problems related to Islam, and the caricature summaries of the views of your opponents:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Nicolas Krebs said&#8230;</p>
<p>    &#8220;Yes I do.&#8221; (Cesar Tort)</p>
<p>    Acknowledged.</p>
<p>    &#8220;there are new authors (mentioned in subtitle) who don&#8217;t focus on Bat Ye&#8217;or&#8217;s theory.&#8221;</p>
<p>    Indeed. In the above article of you, there are Oriana Fallaci who did see the Eurabia strategy as &#8220;the biggest conspiracy that modern history has created&#8221; and support Bat Ye&#8217;or&#8217;s claims, Bruce Bawer who wrote &#8220;Islam experts like Bat Ye’or&#8221;, Daniel Pipes quoting Bat Ye&#8217;or too, but there are other authors not quoting Bat Ye&#8217;or, like Oriana Fallaci claiming that &#8220;Muslims breed like rabbits&#8221;, Robert Spencer &#038; Daniel Pipes who not really like Europeans, Bruce Bawer who complain about all european Muslims being Homosexuals-hater because one time he saw a Muslim beating a gay in Nederland, Mark Steyn who wrote that &#8220;Europeans are worse than cockroaches&#8221;. A nice bunch of guys, isn&#8217;t it?&#8221;</em></p>
<p><a href="http://caesartort.blogspot.com/2009/01/eurabia_11.html" rel="nofollow">The West&#8217;s darkest hour: Eurabia</a></p>
<p>You clearly scour the Web for debates such as this, and then pretend to dismiss the whole debate by being a smartass.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicolas Krebs</title>
		<link>http://snaphanen.dk/2009/08/08/debunking-bbcs-debunking/#comment-135087</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicolas Krebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;BBC burde starte med at spørge sig selv om hvorfor i alverden vi har denne diskussion i første omgang, og hvorfor islam fylder så meget i medierne som den gør, når nu de nuværende procentsatser er så små?&quot;

BBC Radio 4 &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/more_or_less/8189434.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;More or less&lt;/a&gt; goal was to debunk the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Muslim demographics&lt;/a&gt; video, period. See other debunking of this faked video (although funny, especially the &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyfrog.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/muslimdemographics4.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;8.1 children/woman fertility rate of Muslims in France&lt;/a&gt;) in Tiny Frog, &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyfrog.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/muslim-demographics/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Muslim Demographics&lt;/a&gt;, 2009-05-03, Duncan Macleod, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.postkiwi.com/2009/muslim-demographics-on-youtube-abuse-of-statistics/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Muslim Demographics on YouTube Abuse of Statistics&lt;/a&gt;, 2009-05-11, Steve Letendre, &lt;a href=&quot;http://rationalysis.blogspot.com/2009/05/muslim-demographics-debunked.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Muslim Demographics Debunked&lt;/a&gt;, 2009-05-26, Richard Abanes, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crosswalk.com/blogs/abanes/11605334/print/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Muslim Demographics - A Christian Response&lt;/a&gt;. Feel free to show evidence that BBC&#039;s debunking is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;BBC burde starte med at spørge sig selv om hvorfor i alverden vi har denne diskussion i første omgang, og hvorfor islam fylder så meget i medierne som den gør, når nu de nuværende procentsatser er så små?&#8221;</p>
<p>BBC Radio 4 <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/more_or_less/8189434.stm" rel="nofollow">More or less</a> goal was to debunk the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU" rel="nofollow">Muslim demographics</a> video, period. See other debunking of this faked video (although funny, especially the <a href="http://tinyfrog.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/muslimdemographics4.jpg" rel="nofollow">8.1 children/woman fertility rate of Muslims in France</a>) in Tiny Frog, <a href="http://tinyfrog.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/muslim-demographics/" rel="nofollow">Muslim Demographics</a>, 2009-05-03, Duncan Macleod, <a href="http://www.postkiwi.com/2009/muslim-demographics-on-youtube-abuse-of-statistics/" rel="nofollow">Muslim Demographics on YouTube Abuse of Statistics</a>, 2009-05-11, Steve Letendre, <a href="http://rationalysis.blogspot.com/2009/05/muslim-demographics-debunked.html" rel="nofollow">Muslim Demographics Debunked</a>, 2009-05-26, Richard Abanes, <a href="http://www.crosswalk.com/blogs/abanes/11605334/print/" rel="nofollow">Muslim Demographics &#8211; A Christian Response</a>. Feel free to show evidence that BBC&#8217;s debunking is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: JensH</title>
		<link>http://snaphanen.dk/2009/08/08/debunking-bbcs-debunking/#comment-134575</link>
		<dc:creator>JensH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ole burde

&quot;som ikke er vaagnet op ENDNU, reagerer ved at “skifte kanal” naar noget er i konflikt med deres droemme-verden&quot;


Den automat-reaktion går nok ikke meget længere. Virkeligheden trænger sig mere og mere på, og den er bestemt ikke rar. Ifølge Venstre-politkeren Eyvind Vesselboe vil der gruppen af unge ikke-vestlige unge &#039;i lømmel-alderen&#039; sige mned op mod 40.000 personer, og vi ved nu af erfaring at en stor andel af dem ender som det medierne og politkerne kalder &#039;utilpassede unge&#039;. Så hvem ved, om 10 år tænker vi måske tilbage til 2009 som en tid hvor der herskede fred og ro, og hvor man stadig var relativ sikker når man bevægede sig rundt i det offentlige rum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ole burde</p>
<p>&#8220;som ikke er vaagnet op ENDNU, reagerer ved at “skifte kanal” naar noget er i konflikt med deres droemme-verden&#8221;</p>
<p>Den automat-reaktion går nok ikke meget længere. Virkeligheden trænger sig mere og mere på, og den er bestemt ikke rar. Ifølge Venstre-politkeren Eyvind Vesselboe vil der gruppen af unge ikke-vestlige unge &#8216;i lømmel-alderen&#8217; sige mned op mod 40.000 personer, og vi ved nu af erfaring at en stor andel af dem ender som det medierne og politkerne kalder &#8216;utilpassede unge&#8217;. Så hvem ved, om 10 år tænker vi måske tilbage til 2009 som en tid hvor der herskede fred og ro, og hvor man stadig var relativ sikker når man bevægede sig rundt i det offentlige rum.</p>
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		<title>By: ole burde</title>
		<link>http://snaphanen.dk/2009/08/08/debunking-bbcs-debunking/#comment-134572</link>
		<dc:creator>ole burde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Der er mange ting , som det er svaert at indroemme over for sig selv. 
 Specielt smertefuldt har det for mig vaeret at maatte opgive en del af de idealer (eller maaske naermere utopiske droemme )som indtil for 10 aar siden var en vigtig del af mit liv. 
 Saasom ideen om , at den menneskelige natur i sig selv er &quot;god&quot; , og &quot;de aedle vilde&quot; derfor  bare venter paa at vi ska&#039; gi &#039; dem en chance til at blive vores venner  .. 
  Saasom  ideen om ,at enhver anvendelse af fysisk vold  egentlig er en moralsk falliterklaering..
  Ligesom Eyvind, oplever jeg hvordan folk i min omgangskreds som ikke er vaagnet op ENDNU ,reagerer ved at &quot;skifte kanal&quot; naar noget er i konflikt med deres droemme-verden
  Problemet er , at det ikke er nok bare at smide alt det over bord  ; det er en livsnoedvendighed at have noget BEDRE at udkifte disse naive droemme med.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Der er mange ting , som det er svaert at indroemme over for sig selv.<br />
 Specielt smertefuldt har det for mig vaeret at maatte opgive en del af de idealer (eller maaske naermere utopiske droemme )som indtil for 10 aar siden var en vigtig del af mit liv.<br />
 Saasom ideen om , at den menneskelige natur i sig selv er &#8220;god&#8221; , og &#8220;de aedle vilde&#8221; derfor  bare venter paa at vi ska&#8217; gi &#8216; dem en chance til at blive vores venner  ..<br />
  Saasom  ideen om ,at enhver anvendelse af fysisk vold  egentlig er en moralsk falliterklaering..<br />
  Ligesom Eyvind, oplever jeg hvordan folk i min omgangskreds som ikke er vaagnet op ENDNU ,reagerer ved at &#8220;skifte kanal&#8221; naar noget er i konflikt med deres droemme-verden<br />
  Problemet er , at det ikke er nok bare at smide alt det over bord  ; det er en livsnoedvendighed at have noget BEDRE at udkifte disse naive droemme med.<br />
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		<title>By: Thomas Bolding Hansen</title>
		<link>http://snaphanen.dk/2009/08/08/debunking-bbcs-debunking/#comment-134571</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Bolding Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Beklager, Thomas Bolding, efterlønnen blev ikke indført i 1983, men i slutningen af 70′erne. Af én af Anker Jørgensens talrige regeringer.&quot;

1983 Var flygtningeloven/udvidet familiesammenføring, jeg hentydede til, indforstået. 

At man ikke kunne se, at det var en dårlig idé at blive flere mennesker i Danmark, på et tidspunkt hvor arbejdsløsheden var så høj og samtidigt med at man måtte pensionere tidligere, stadigt flere mennesker, fordi der ikke var udsigt til arbejde for dem, eller for at skabe plads for de unge.
Altså hvad var argumenterne for indvandringen? Ikke for efterlønsordningen.

Man havde nok heller ikke regnet med, at der kom så mange.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Beklager, Thomas Bolding, efterlønnen blev ikke indført i 1983, men i slutningen af 70′erne. Af én af Anker Jørgensens talrige regeringer.&#8221;</p>
<p>1983 Var flygtningeloven/udvidet familiesammenføring, jeg hentydede til, indforstået. </p>
<p>At man ikke kunne se, at det var en dårlig idé at blive flere mennesker i Danmark, på et tidspunkt hvor arbejdsløsheden var så høj og samtidigt med at man måtte pensionere tidligere, stadigt flere mennesker, fordi der ikke var udsigt til arbejde for dem, eller for at skabe plads for de unge.<br />
Altså hvad var argumenterne for indvandringen? Ikke for efterlønsordningen.</p>
<p>Man havde nok heller ikke regnet med, at der kom så mange.</p>
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		<title>By: JensH</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hp

&quot;men i slutningen af 70′erne. Af én af Anker Jørgensens talrige regeringer.&quot;


Efterlønnen blev faktisk indført af SV-regeringen, der sad fra godt et år i 1978-79, (Svend Auken var arbejdsminister i den regering), som var en flertalsregering. Venstre har siden mange gange fortrudt de gik med til det, men ingen kunne på det tidspunkt vide hvor populær ordningen ville blive. Målet med efterlønnen var, at få ældre ufaglærte i industri og landbrug til at trække sig lidt tidligere tilbage, og dermed &#039;give plads&#039; til unge arbejdsløse ufaglærte. Man valgte dog ikke at afgrænse ordningen til kun ufaglærte, men gjorde den derimod universiel, og meget hurtigt blev denne efterlønsordning &#039;folke-eje&#039;, (bare spørg Nyrup om det).</description>
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<p>&#8220;men i slutningen af 70′erne. Af én af Anker Jørgensens talrige regeringer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Efterlønnen blev faktisk indført af SV-regeringen, der sad fra godt et år i 1978-79, (Svend Auken var arbejdsminister i den regering), som var en flertalsregering. Venstre har siden mange gange fortrudt de gik med til det, men ingen kunne på det tidspunkt vide hvor populær ordningen ville blive. Målet med efterlønnen var, at få ældre ufaglærte i industri og landbrug til at trække sig lidt tidligere tilbage, og dermed &#8216;give plads&#8217; til unge arbejdsløse ufaglærte. Man valgte dog ikke at afgrænse ordningen til kun ufaglærte, men gjorde den derimod universiel, og meget hurtigt blev denne efterlønsordning &#8216;folke-eje&#8217;, (bare spørg Nyrup om det).</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://snaphanen.dk/2009/08/08/debunking-bbcs-debunking/#comment-134563</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beklager, Thomas Bolding, efterlønnen blev ikke indført i 1983, men i slutningen af 70&#039;erne. Af én af Anker Jørgensens talrige regeringer. 

Argumentet var officielt hensynet til nedslidte arbejdere. 
Sandheden var imidlertid, at ungdomsarbejdsløsheden i sidste halvdel af 70&#039;erne nåede astronomiske højder, og at Anker Jørgensen var så tæt på at pantsætte hele butikken, at hans egen finansminister, Knud Heinesen, brugte udtrykket &#039;på vej ud over afgrunden&#039;. De lidt ældre skulle derfor væk fra arbejdsmarkedet længe før tid, så ungdomsarbejdsløsheden kunne reduceres (jeg var der, og husker det så udmærket).

Var for et par dage siden i Malmø, hvor der i talrige butikker hang opslag om, at man søgte arbejdskraft. I et Malmø, hvor ungdomsarbejdsløsheden nærmer sig de 30%. 
De dygtige unge svenskere fra Skåne-området har fundet arbejde i Danmark, hvilket, trods transportomkostningerne, kan betale sig pga. relativt højere danske lønninger, og relativt lavere svenske leveomkostninger.

Og så er der lige en enorm mængde unge, mange bosat i Rosengård, der enten er uegnede som arbejdskraft, og/eller ikke ønsker at arbejde..... Men det er jo en helt anden historie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beklager, Thomas Bolding, efterlønnen blev ikke indført i 1983, men i slutningen af 70&#8242;erne. Af én af Anker Jørgensens talrige regeringer. </p>
<p>Argumentet var officielt hensynet til nedslidte arbejdere.<br />
Sandheden var imidlertid, at ungdomsarbejdsløsheden i sidste halvdel af 70&#8242;erne nåede astronomiske højder, og at Anker Jørgensen var så tæt på at pantsætte hele butikken, at hans egen finansminister, Knud Heinesen, brugte udtrykket &#8216;på vej ud over afgrunden&#8217;. De lidt ældre skulle derfor væk fra arbejdsmarkedet længe før tid, så ungdomsarbejdsløsheden kunne reduceres (jeg var der, og husker det så udmærket).</p>
<p>Var for et par dage siden i Malmø, hvor der i talrige butikker hang opslag om, at man søgte arbejdskraft. I et Malmø, hvor ungdomsarbejdsløsheden nærmer sig de 30%.<br />
De dygtige unge svenskere fra Skåne-området har fundet arbejde i Danmark, hvilket, trods transportomkostningerne, kan betale sig pga. relativt højere danske lønninger, og relativt lavere svenske leveomkostninger.</p>
<p>Og så er der lige en enorm mængde unge, mange bosat i Rosengård, der enten er uegnede som arbejdskraft, og/eller ikke ønsker at arbejde&#8230;.. Men det er jo en helt anden historie.</p>
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