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Et interview med en muslim, der var tilstede på Uppsala Universitet igår og med Expressens kulturchef Karin Olsson. Muslimens ræsonnement er interessant: ” Det var porno: Lars Vilks vidste, der var små børn tilstede (der ses rigtignok på video nedenfor en lille skræslagen pige  på cirka tre år bagerst i salen) >  det er ulovligt at vise porno for børn > når politi ikke vil opretholde loven, så må publikum selv gøre det. – Det ville være synd at sige at svensk P 1, der interviewer som en imødekommende dagisfröken, byder hans interessante tankekæde nogen modstand. Hvorfor spørger P 1 i det mindste ikke: “Hvad laver en tre- årig overhovedet til sådan et arrangement?” -Hvad skulle sædeligheden i Sverige stille op uden Muhammeds Medborgergarde? Så skulle de jo nøjes med justitsministeren, der vil sladre om prostitutionskunder ved offentlig udhængning eller unge svenske kvinder, der forarges over Ekstra Bladets side 9 pige, som man kunne læse om i Sydsvenskan forleden. Lotte Tarp, Birte Tove, Hanne Lyngfeldt, Lisbet Lundquist og Suzanne Bjerrehuus ville nok slå en rå søsterlatter op, de var mere end lige naboens datter. Og nu til dagisfröknerne m/k:

En SVT producent, Saam Kapadia, kommenterer ivørigt overfaldet sådan her: “”är Vilks glad nu?”

Besøg hos en dødsdømt

Efter at have forladt København tidligt lørdag morgen, kørt mod nord til Helsingør og taget færgen over til Sverige, er vi fortsat mod nord langs den skånske kyst, indtil vi ankommer til en knaldhytte, der ville have fået hillbillyerne i West Virginia og beboerne langs Tobacco Road til at skamme sig. [..]

Alle forsøg på at lukke munden på ham er mislykkedes, idet han ofte bliver inviteret til at give forelæsninger og deltage i offentlige diskussionsmøder. Netop nu ser ham frem til om tre dage at tale i den Filosofiske Institution ved det berømte universitet i Uppsala. Lars Hedegaard besøger Lars Vilks

Apropos Lars Vilks fremvisning af Sooreh Hera, så er her noget der brænder noget mere på en svensk P1, så meget og så “kontroversielt” at jeg aldrig har hørt det omtalt i programmet. Ægteskaber for homoseksuelle og homoadoption er en gratis omgang, men dette – det ville dansk P 1 heller ikke røre med en ildtang:

Gays Abandoned by Left’s Appeasement

by PETER WHITTLE

Consider this: an openly gay man works as a teacher in a state school in an area with a large Muslim population — say, Tower Hamlets in London’s East End. Most of his pupils are Muslims. Some of the parents of these children decide that they’re not keen on having their kids taught by a gay man. There is a stand-off. Should he stay or should he go? The Guardian’s leader-writers scratch their heads. Whom should they support in such a “sensitive” situation?

The scenario is my invention. It is, as far as I know, still hypothetical, but it has the ring of feasibility. It throws into sharp relief the dilemma which has petrified the Left and its fellow-travellers within the social, educational and cultural establishment. When two parts of your worldview collide, when your traditional support for gay rights conflicts with your staunch and uncritical support of ethnic minority cultures, what do you do? Relativism has tied your hands. You conjure the possible intellectual somersaults you could perform to justify your reasoning. And then you stay silent.

The growth of Islam in Europe has consequences for gay men. But you wouldn’t know it from a cursory perusal of the issues which preoccupy at any one time what is known as the “gay community”. Civil partnerships, gay adoption or problems with Christian bed-and-breakfast owners and the allegedly latent homophobia of the Conservatives are all up there on the list. But, with a few honorable exceptions, such as the consistently principled activist Peter Tatchell, few voices are raised about the possible future problems for gay men in a rapidly changing demographic landscape.

There was relatively little protest from the complacent mainstream metropolitan gay community when, as Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone invited to the capital the Islamic cleric Yusuf al-Qaradawi, a fundamentalist who supports the right of Islamic states to execute gays. The death penalty indeed exists in six Islamic nations, including Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Sudan. Pakistan and northern Nigeria have sharia, under which gay men can be put to death. The al-Fatiha Foundation, an international organisation that aims to support Muslim gays and lesbians, estimates that 4,000 homosexuals have been executed in Iran since the 1979 revolution. Egypt, while having no laws against homosexuality, has instead punished gays under public morality laws. In other Islamic countries, homosexuality is punishable with fines or prison.

This is all a long way away, of course. In the UK, we might be shocked by fire-breathing imams telling their flocks that gays should be shunned, thrown from mountains or otherwise murdered, as was seen in two recent Channel 4 Dispatches programmes, but there is little follow-through or outrage. The feeling seems to be that if they are ignored, then these nasty men will go away, and that in any case they are not representative.

That may well be true. But this ignores the widespread intolerance of homosexuality throughout the Muslim communities, which in Britain are growing up to ten times the rate of the rest. This community can only increase in power and predominance, especially when faced with a weak, vacillating establishment which will do anything to avoid making a scene, let along stand up for Western liberal values.

A Europe-wide Gallup survey carried out last year found that none of the 500 British Muslims interviewed believed that homosexual acts were morally acceptable. What was perhaps more alarming was a Policy Exchange report from 2007, Living Apart Together, which found that 71 per cent of Muslims aged 16 to 24 thought that homosexuality was not only wrong but should be illegal. This staggeringly high number also gave the lie to the notion, so often trotted out, that with time, younger generations of immigrant families would become more liberal, more integrated into Western ways: the figure of 71 per cent was the highest for any of the age groups questioned (the same survey found that a large minority — 37 per cent — of 16- to 24-year-old Muslims would prefer to live under sharia in Britain).

A few months ago, I attended a meeting in London arranged by an upmarket gay networking group, at which openly gay representatives of the main political parties were speaking to a packed audience, there to voice their various concerns about gay issues. From the floor, I asked if the panel shared my concern, as a gay man, on growing Islamist influence and the hostility to homosexuality embedded in Islam as evidenced in figures such as those above.

Needless to say, nobody answered. I was informed instead by the Tory spokesman, Nick Herbert, that one should be careful not to tar all Muslims with the same brush. This has become the stock response to all questions raised about Muslim opinion, and serves no purpose except to evade. Of course, I imagine the panel, which also included the Labour MP Chris Bryant, would have had no such qualms about tarring Catholicism with the same brush, or using the words of Evangelicals to besmirch the whole of Christianity.

Gays are pretty sensitive when it comes to detecting possible future persecution, which makes the relative silence about Islam — whether from denial or simple ignorance — all the more worrying. I’ve certainly found, when bringing up the subject on my travels around gay London, that one is usually met with the response: “Ah, well: it’s those Christian fundamentalists that worry me.”

“The gay activist establishment has taught gay men that Christian fundamentalists are their enemies, while members of fellow ‘oppressed’ groups, including Muslims, are their allies in victimhood,” says Bruce Bawer, an Oslo-based gay American writer and author of While Europe Slept (Broadway, 2007). “Solidarity proscribes criticism. Never mind that these ‘allies’ preach that gays should be executed. Under the reigning PC mentality, the only way in which most gays can bring themselves to criticise Islam is to do so as part of a blanket rejection of all religion.”

Bawer, a liberal who moved from the US to Amsterdam in 1998, relocating to Oslo the following year, agrees that the Left is crippled by a multicultural mentality that views America, the West and capitalism as evil, and views non-Western groups as virtuous victims of imperialism and colonialism whose cultures we have no right to criticise. “Sharia calls for the execution of gay people,” he says. “And for ‘good’ Muslims, sharia is non-negotiable. Islam has had no Enlightenment.”

Bawer fears that on an everyday level, the situation for gay men in cities like Oslo and Amsterdam is becoming more difficult, with an increase in attacks by Muslim youths. In Oslo, reports of assaults on gays by Muslims are increasing, and instead of admitting to this as a problem, prominent Muslims are arguing that in “their” neighbourhoods, Muslim cultural values should reign, meaning that gays who enter their territory should not, for example, hold hands. In one recent incident, a gay couple exchanged a kiss in an Oslo kebab joint and were chased down the street by a fellow-customer. Later, one of them told a reporter: “It was perhaps a little dumb of us to do that. I don’t like to provoke people.” Bawer notes: “This is the reigning mentality. Gays have learned to blame themselves for having ‘provoked’ people who want to beat them up for being gay.”

Bawer’s concern is echoed by Lloyd Newson, the choreographer and leader of the highly-praised dance company, DV8 Physical Theatre. In 2008, the company produced To Be Straight With You, a mixed media and performance piece which brilliantly explored anti-gay feeling in all its international forms and guises, including Islamic. The arts are famously the home to a great number of gay men, which makes the lack of creative comment on Islam and homosexuality all the more pointed. Newson’s work stands virtually alone. He was inspired to create the piece after he and his Indian partner, taking part in a Gay Pride march, had abuse yelled at them by Afro-Caribbean onlookers. Although equal weight is given to other religions in the show, Newson feels that in terms of physical danger, as opposed to the simple expression of anti-gay sentiment, Islam is the most threatening.

“I did To Be Straight With You because the debate needs to be had right here, right now,” he says. “It’s when people’s backs are up against the wall that they start to engage.” Concerned by the high proportion of Muslims who state a preference for sharia, and by the creeping censorship of all criticism of Islam, he has also come up against those who find any critique of it too rich for their blood.

“While we were making To be Straight With You, some white liberals we spoke to couldn’t handle hearing any challenges to a religious community, if it was non-white,” he says. Indeed, he lost a board member over the issue. “They were very anxious,” he says. “Their position is that you can only criticise ‘your own’ culture, race and/or religion, you cannot criticise anything ‘other’.”

Those who refrain from passing any judgment which they view as “culturally imperialist” are, arguably, also not helping Muslims who are themselves gay (the same principle applies to many Western feminists, whose silence over the treatment of women in Islam is shameful). While researching the project, Newson learned of the fear felt by many gay Muslims, some of whom had had “horrific experiences”. Last year, the gay homeless charity, the Albert Kennedy Trust, reported that it was seeing a rise in the number of gay Muslims fleeing from forced marriages and domestic violence. There is a support group, Imaan, which was set up in 1998 and is run by volunteers, and there was a well-received Channel 4 documentary in 2006, Gay Muslims, which helped to shed light on their predicament but in which most of those taking part kept their identities hidden. A high-profile storyline in the BBC soap EastEnders features a relationship between a gay white man and a Muslim, the latter being forced to go ahead with a marriage by his ashamed and terrified mother.

But many gay Muslims live in a largely invisible world, one which can be fraught with conflicts between two aspects of their identities. A study of gay British Pakistani Muslims, published earlier this year in the British Journal of Social Psychology, found that some saw their homosexuality as a test from Allah, some believed the religious texts had been misunderstood, others blamed their British upbringing, but most of them expressed guilt, the desire to stop and the hope to marry women. Said one of the participants (who, again, were all given anonymity): “I’m gay ‘cos I was brought up here (in Britain) but I reckon if I’d been brought up in Pakistan, then I would have turned out straight because this doesn’t happen that much there.”

Multiculturalist white liberals, whose belief in the virtue of “celebrating diversity” has taken on the characteristics of some sort of fetish, could probably not bring themselves to point out the ridiculousness of that statement. And this in turn exposes the contradictions which were always there, bubbling away, in multiculturalism: how or why should you celebrate a culture which sees you as morally unacceptable? Why should you try to “understand” and adapt? Could we, quite soon, be in a position where certain areas of our cities are off-limits for gay men? And, hobbled by the requirement above all to be “sensitive”, will we simply go along with it? The last word goes to Bruce Bawer, who also wrote Surrender: Appeasing Islam, Sacrificing Freedom (Doubleday, 2009). “Open your eyes,” he says, “stop being cowed by political correctness, and speak up.” Standpoint

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li
14 years ago

Som kvinde kan jeg kun takke og takke og blive ved med at takke mandfolket Lars Vilks for hans kamp imod den modbydelige idelogi iSlam. Mine bedste ønsker og sympati og god bedring til Lars Vilks efter dette modbydelige overfald. Nu før vi får åbnet øjnene på de naive virkeligheds fornægtende folk, der ustandseligt finder på undskyldninger for idelogien iSlam’s grundlæggende volds forherligelse og hjernevaskelse, nu større muligheder har vi for at løse problemerne før de bliver helt vanvittige. Selv den mest tungnemme må vist snart opfatte den alvorlige trussel den menneskefjendske modbydelige voldelige idelogi iSlam står for og dens… Read more »

Christina
Christina
14 years ago

“I frustration er jeg blevet hooked på søde sager og gumler voldsomme mængder af skum-delfiner i mig, hveranden med chokoladeovertræk, mens jeg med tårer i øjnene og sødt savl ned ad kinderne tænker på CHRISTINA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcd3XuQwDQQ

Det var porno… 😆

Fröken Sverige
14 years ago

Hejsan!

Besøg hos en dødsdømt finns även på svenska nu: http://imittsverige.blogspot.com/2010/05/lars-hedegaard-trykkefrihedsselskabet.html

Mvh

/FS

TAK ! Frøken. S

Liva
Liva
14 years ago

Vi er nogle stykker der i dag har været på kunstmuseum og vi har set mange kvindelige kunstnere give deres syn på verden udtryk. Pæne billeder, god teknik, oprør? bestemt – ja, på den måde som det er set de sidste 50 år. Det er blevet mainstream. Også den slags oprør bliver med tiden til sofa stykker, pryd og pynt. Danske kunstudstillingssteder føder pynt, abstrakt kunst, der ligner sengetøj og duge, pausebilleder og ligegyldighed – tapeter. På udstillingen i dag var der ingen billeder eller skulpturer af mænd. Lars Vilks og Westergaard billeder var der ikke at se på det… Read more »

Peter Buch
Peter Buch
14 years ago

Muligheden kunne være til stede for at forelæsninger kunne fortsætte, i en lidt anden version ganske vist, uanset eventuelle afbrydelser i allerede producerede netudgaver- med tilhørende efter forelæsningen direkte sendte spørgetid, hvor spørgsmål kunne stilles dels på nettet dels på stedet i en særlig boks hvori der befandt sig plads til en spørger og en mekanisme der blidt lemper spørgeren ud, når spørgsmål er stillet og dialog med forelæser ophørt i henhold til på forhånd fastsatte procedurer.

Mon hr. Vilks lægger den ikke sete del af forelæsningen på nettet?

Universalgeni
14 years ago

Hvad laver sådan en samling hooligans på et universitet? Persisk gedemarked…

Universalgeni
14 years ago

Denne video har jeg ikke set før. Det er den sekvens, hvor muslimerne råber muhammed under Vilks’ forelæsning. Starter ca. efter 4 minutter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2IHnWY-i6Y&playnext_from=TL&videos=Ra0cLvhY6WQ&feature=sub

Jonny
Jonny
14 years ago

Märk att Expressens kulturchef Karin Olsson inte riktigt kan försvara sig mot P1-journalistens jämförelse mellan “barnpornografisk konst” (“barn i sexuella situationer” som han sliskigt uttrycker det) och kritik av islam. Hon kanske inte är van att få sina åsikter ifrågasatta.

Karin Olsson tycker också att Vilks uttryckt “åsikter om muslimer”, som hon finner “tveksamma”. Vilka är dessa åsikter om “muslimer”? Svenska journalister verkar ibland ha svårt med skillnaden mellan en ideologi och en individ som tillhör/stödjer denna ideologi.

Bjovulf
Bjovulf
14 years ago

GALLUP ( 1995 !!! ): “Danmark skal ikke være multietnisk” Ak, ja – sikke en masse mord, vold, ballade, voldtægter, grov narkokriminalitet, æresdrab og religiøs fanatisme vi kunne være sluppet for, hvis politikerne seriøst havde turdet at lytte til det danske folk – i stedet for EUs og FNs paver – , der som sædvanlig havde fingeren på pulsen i modsætning til alle de alvidende “eksperter” og de frelste pseudointellektuelle Carsten Jensen, Georg Metz, Susanne Brøgger, Hanne Vibeke Holst, Anne-Marie Løn, Morten Kjærum ogTøger Seidenfaden-typer, som aldrig nogensinde selv har haft disse massive problemer inde på livet for alvor, og… Read more »

Liva
Liva
14 years ago
Reply to  Bjovulf

“…der som sædvanlig havde fingeren på pulsen i modsætning til alle de alvidende “eksperter” og de frelste pseudointellektuelle Carsten Jensen, Georg Metz, Susanne Brøgger, Hanne Vibeke Holst, Anne-Marie Løn, Morten
Kjærum ogTøger Seidenfaden-typer…”

De er skam intellektuelle. Vaske ægte. Det er hvad der er at byde på hos det segment af Danmark. Av for den da haha 🙂 Derfor er det også så befriende at der er andre der melder sig på banen nu. 🙂

Bjovulf
Bjovulf
14 years ago
Reply to  Liva

Ha, det er så bare ikke lige, hvad jeg forstår ved at være “intellektuel”, Liva – der kræves skam mere end bare frelste holdninger, velmenende paroler og forestillinger om egen godhed og moralske overlegenhed, fx. evnen til selvstændig analytisk og kritisk tænkning, herunder indsamling og bearbejdning af fakta og samtale med personer, der har “virkeligheden” helt inde på kroppen, ikke bare diverse lyserøde mentale luftkasteller og lallenaive forestillinger om multikulturens endeløse velsignelser og eksistensen af et moderat demokratimindet islam. Dette synes jeg så ikke, vi ser meget af blandt de nævnte personager, og heller ikke iblandt vore øvrige forfattere og… Read more »

Bjovulf
Bjovulf
14 years ago
Reply to  Liva

Ja, korrekt, Liva – i sandhed et sølle udvalg af “intellektuelle”, som vi bliver spist af med i dsse år. Jeg håber inderligt, at du får ret i, at der er ved at komme andre boller på suppen fra helt andre kredse. Hvad blev der af dem, der faktisk kunne tænke store tanker? De må da rotere i deres grave nu, hvis de kan se, hvordan denne pseudointellektuelle “elite” har travlt med at tyrannisere og tilsvine “sit eget” folk – de eneste, der overhovedet kan og evt. gider at læse om dens virkelighedsfjerne tanker om multikulturens endeløse velsignelser og dens… Read more »

Universalgeni
14 years ago
Reply to  Bjovulf

Dem kan vi godt opgive. De kommer ikke på banen. De underviser på universiteter, hvor indvandrere af samme slags, som dem Vilks blev udsat for, er begyndt at sive ind. Vi ender som USA med tænketanke, hvorfra den dominerende forskning vil komme. På det humanistiske og det samfundsvidenskabelige område har universiteterne udspillet sin rolle. Hvad forfattere og andre kunstnere angår, er det de færreste, der har lyst til at ende som Vilks, Hirsi Ali og masser af andre, der er truet på livet, må leve i landflygtighed og med livvagter døgnet rundt. Det er overstået. Vi kommer ikke fremad ved… Read more »

LarsS
LarsS
14 years ago

Der er et monster der skræmmer livet af mig! Et monster der i sin grådige iver for at mane al modstand og anderledes tænkende til jorden har bidt sig fast i en horde af nervøse, konsensusliderlige, ureflekterende meningspatenthavere som i deres iver for at tilfredsstille og undergive sig bæstet har smidt al skam over bord og tilsidesat egen integritet og kritiske sans. En ubetinget lydighed udvises og rollen som klakør, propagandist og frontløber for monsterets optændte ideologi indtages med bind for øjnene. At fornærme monsteret er blasfemi. BLASFEMI for helvede! Monsteret er ikke til pjat og pjank. Glem fest, ballade,… Read more »

Peter Buch
Peter Buch
14 years ago

Skulle porno være belæg for udbrud af diverse afbrud og forsøg på fysisk angreb ved hr. Vilks foredrag, kan det undre forældre og andre trufne ikke forlod salen ved første glimt af en penis…

Nielsen
Nielsen
14 years ago

http://www.unt.se/tv/#category=390&date=2010-5&clip=933445&startTime=0m0s
20min og 51 sek. inde i filmen, ser man en person træde frem 20:52-53 fremsætter han dødstrusler. Måske skulle Säpo afkræve denne beskyttelsespengene, da det jo helt utvetydigt er ham, blandt andre, som er direkte ansvarlige for sikkerheden omkring Wilks.

Peter Buch
Peter Buch
14 years ago

Er målestokken for at fremsætte ytringer at de ikke overskrider, hvad nogle hævder er den mindste krænkelse kan der blive mægtigt stille…

Christina
Christina
14 years ago
Reply to  Peter Buch

“Er målestokken for at fremsætte ytringer at de ikke overskrider, hvad nogle hævder er den mindste krænkelse kan der blive mægtigt stille”

Ja…speciellt lugnt och stilla lär det bli här på Snaphanen där det anses vara ‘debattsabotage’ att posta länkar till artiklar ON topic…???

Och hur var det nu med min censurerade Ernst Rolf länk som jag postade i en kategori som faktiskt handlade om det Sverige som en gång var…???

DOUBLETHINK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgZVQs2IYZM#t=5m30s

polinos
polinos
14 years ago
Reply to  Christina

Hej der, Christina, undrede mig over, hvor du blev af.
Kan være, du nu vil bidrage med en kommentar om, hvad du mener om overfaldet på Lars Vilks? Hvad tænker du, når du ser ophidsede og voldelige muslimer afbryde en forelæsning på – af alle steder – Sveriges fornemste universitet, fordi de føler sig “krænkede” af, at Lars Vilks udfordrer deres holdninger til homoseksuelle? Hvad tænker du, når du ser svenske tilhørere sidde som lammede og lade det ske? Venter spændt på svar.

LarsS
LarsS
14 years ago
Reply to  polinos

Hej polinos. Ja, så kan vi bare sidde her og savne vores livs lys. I frustration er jeg blevet hooked på søde sager og gumler voldsomme mængder af skum-delfiner i mig, hveranden med chokoladeovertræk, mens jeg med tårer i øjnene og sødt savl ned ad kinderne tænker på CHRISTINA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcd3XuQwDQQ

LarsS
LarsS
14 years ago
Reply to  Christina

Christina, jeg savner dig! Hvor blev du af? Christina, hvorfor, hvorfor? Du skred bare! Skred, skred skred! Du gav det aldrig en chance, aldrig en minimal mikroskopisk chance, da det endelig galdt! Hvorfor, Christina, hvorfor? Nu sidder jeg bare her og glor på pelikaner og døde vulkaner. Hopper sgu ned i den blå lagune igen til mine farlige delfiner…………

polinos
polinos
14 years ago
Reply to  LarsS

-> LarsS

Ak, frygter, vi må vente forgæves på en kommentar fra vores lille svenske skovtrold. Er bange for, at hun – som så mange andre multikulti-hattedamer – er blevet ramt lige mellem øjnene af noget, kendt som “virkeligheden”. Her virker afledningsmanøvren for en gangs skyld ikke, og så er der jo kun én løsning: Som en kendt dansk politiker engang sagde: “Nu gælder det om at holde kæft”. Trøst dig, Christina dukker nok op engang igen, når røgen driver over; vi er jo mange vantro islamofober her, der skal omvendes; Snaphanen er en frugtbar missionsmark for folk som hende.

Robin Shadowes
14 years ago

LOL

Är det kulturberikarna som varit i farten?

http://jp.dk/indland/aar/studie/article2066086.ece

Henrik Jørgensen
Henrik Jørgensen
14 years ago
Reply to  Robin Shadowes

Det er ikke utænkeligt, men det siger vist alt om niveauet blandt de studerende! 😀

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