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I denne post skriver Baron Bodissey ikke mindst om Gullestrupsagen. Jeg mindede selv om svenske selvtÊgtsmord, da jeg skrev om det i forgÄrs. Tilliden til svensk justits er allerede et godt stykke nede af slisken, svenskere har i vidt omfang bevÊbnet sig i den udstrÊkning, de ikke allerede er en af de 2 mio lovlige vÄbenejere. Knive, pebersprays, baseballbats, hvad som helst. Gamle damer har bats ved sengen, nydelige Êldre akademikere, har en kniv i lommen, nÄr de besÞger MalmÞ. Jeg taler om mennesker, jeg kender, det er ikke noget svenske medier praler med. Tilliden til retsstaten er i frit fald.

Det er ikke noget politikere og retsvĂŠsen skal tage sig let. Abdikerer retsstaten fra den respekt og tillid den har nydt som en naturlig ting, er der ingen der siger, den kommer tilbage igen. Slipper I grebet, tager andre krĂŠfter over. En domstol skal selvfĂžlgelig ikke fĂžlge folkestemninger, men den skal heller ikke vĂŠre i alvorlig utakt med folks retsfĂžlelse. Man skal ikke pjatte med alvorlige ting, og dommen over Ahmed Omar Mohammed leger med farlige, principielle krĂŠfter i selve statens fundament, og som GoV skriver om dommen: “this is legal but it is not just.”

Hvis jeg var pÄrÞrende til et af hans ofre, hvad jeg til held for alle ikke er, ville jeg stÄ parat med en velkomst, nÄr Ahmed Omar Mohammed slippes ud om fÄ Är, som ville fÄ ham til at Þnske, han var blevet udvist til Somalia, og jeg ville selvfÞlgelig tage min straf. Det kan ikke vÊre i nogens interesse, der stÄr meget vigtigere ting pÄ spil end Ahmed Omar Mohammeds eventuelle integrationsmuligheder. Det handler om retsstatens vigtigste kapital: borgernes tillid til den.

Udvis voldtĂŠgtsmanden Ahmed Omar Mohamed !

Ahmed kan allerede komme ud efter 2,5 Är efter nye regler, der trÊder i kraft 1. juli 2013. Med en dom pÄ 6 Är, kan han blive prÞvelÞsladt efter 3 Är, hvis bare han har et job. Han kan endda fÄ fodlÊnke et halvt Är fÞr prÞven. Det betyder, at han kan blive prÞvelÞsladt november 2014. Hvordan skal en sÄ mild straf vÊre en advarsel til andre potentielle voldtÊgtsmÊnd? Hvorfor skal vi som samfund tage hensyn til en gerningsmand, der ikke er dansk statsborger og har begÄet sÄ grusomme gerninger med uoprettelige konsekvenser til fÞlge? Skriv under, navn kan vÊre usynligt for andre.

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There are three important characteristics of a properly-functioning state:

1. It holds a monopoly on violence within its borders; that is, it protects its citizens from both external invasion and internal criminal violence.
2. It administers justice fairly and effectively among all citizens, enforcing the Common Law without favoritism or dereliction.
3. Its justice must be seen to be done.

The third characteristic is crucial. Writers on political economy have long recognized that if a state is to retain its legitimacy, justice must be seen to be done.

We live in a time when laws have proliferated extensively, so that virtually every citizen breaks at least one law every day, mostly without realizing it. Under these circumstances, it is important to remember the distinction between what is legal and what is just.

When a man coasts through a stop sign at an empty intersection, where he can see clearly that there is no traffic for a mile in all directions, and receives a traffic ticket as a result, this is legal but it is not just.

When a householder in Britain is fined ÂŁ200 for improper use of a wheelie bin, this is legal but it is not just.

When Tommy Robinson is imprisoned in solitary confinement for several months for using someone else’s passport to enter the United States, this is legal but it is not just.

When an immigrant to Denmark who rapes a child and attempts to rape two others is sentenced to only six years in a comfortable Danish prison (of which he will serve three), and will not be deported after serving his sentence, this is legal but it is not just.

I will focus on this last example, because this particular crime is so monstrous and the outcome so egregiously unjust. The rape of a small child is an abomination, and until a century or so ago would generally have been punished with execution throughout the West. This is because death was widely viewed as a just reprisal for the crime: the child’s life, even if he or she survives the rape, has been in many ways functionally destroyed, as has that of the parents. When the rapist is executed, justice is seen to be done.

In the case of the Gullestrup child rape, let’s imagine a different outcome. Suppose the perpetrator, instead of being apprehended and arrested, had been caught in the act by a posse of local Danish men, including the father of the little girl. Let’s further imagine that after being roughly handled by the crowd, he was summarily judged by the father and a group of local notables, and then immediately hanged from the nearest tree tall and strong enough to bear his weight at the end of a rope.

This would have been grossly illegal, but in the eyes of the local community, justice would be seen to have been done.

In contrast, take a look at what actually happened. Peaceful, law-abiding Danes allowed the police to do their job. The man was arrested without being hurt. He was kept safe from harm under humane conditions, provided legal counsel (presumably at taxpayers’ expense), granted a trial with all the protections and legal procedures designed to ensure that his rights were not violated, and found guilty. The penalty prescribed by law was imposed upon him, and he was sentenced to six years in prison, of which he will likely serve three, and be deported upon release. After his lawyer appealed the sentence to a higher court, the deportation order was overturned.

In three years this young monster will be free to walk the streets of Denmark, including the village of Gullestrup. While on the sidewalk there he may pass his victim — who will not even have attained her majority at that point — and leer at her without fear of judicial reprisal.

This is all legal, but it is not just. And justice is not seen to have been done.

I would wager that more than 90% of the Danish populace — the remainder being socialist politicians, progressive theologians, academics, and media people — are outraged by this situation, and do not consider that justice has been done.

If repeated often enough, cases such as this one are poisonous to the polity at large. The state loses all legitimacy in the eyes of the people. Eventually, after they experience one too many instances of Law without Justice, some sort of civil insurrection against the established order is all but inevitable.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

The situation described above is not confined to Denmark. It is, for example, far worse in Britain, where Muslim gangs that keep captive white girls — children — as sex slaves have operated with impunity for more than a decade. Rapists are often let off without a prison sentence by British courts. You don’t need The Daily Mail to tell you that justice is not seen to be done.

This process can continue for only so much longer. It’s like a large open room that is gradually filling up with invisible hydrogen gas. Everything looks normal, and activities continue as usual, until at some point a match is lit or a spark struck from a scrap of metal. Then, in the blink of an eye, everything changes.

It’s hard to say what the match or the spark will be in Denmark, Britain, or any other Western state. It could begin with a bout of mob violence after a particularly abominable crime goes unpunished. It could occur when the currency inflates, after which the power of the repressive state to coerce the conformity of its citizens will be severely reduced. Or it could be some other incident that can hardly be imagined now.

But the spark will someday be struck. And the building will go up.

That will be followed by a period of violence, horror, and lawlessness of indefinite duration. Afterwards the remnants of European civilization — and by that I mean white people of European descent, Jews, and the descendants of those from other cultures who have assimilated fully to their country and totally share its values — will gradually reform into proper, functioning states that protect their citizens and administer justice in the traditional way.

How will such a society treat the equivalent of the Gullestrup child-rapist?

I picture a process that would run something like this:

After suffering a black eye and a broken nose at the hands of the enraged citizens who apprehend him, the local constable intervenes and locks the rapist up out of harm’s way. The following morning he is arraigned before a magistrate, assigned legal counsel, and charged with the crime. If this occurs within the remnants of the Anglosphere, a jury is rapidly empanelled. The following day the trial is held. Witnesses give evidence, and the accused is allowed to plead his side of the case and call his own witnesses. Before the end of the day the guilty verdict is handed down by the judge (or jury), and the accused is sentenced to be hanged by the neck until he is dead. The morning after that (if it is not Sunday), he is led, blindfolded and sedated, to the platform, where he receives last rites from a minister of his faith. Then the trapdoor drops from under him as the assembled community watches.

Those observing this event see that justice has been done. The little girl whose life has been ruined will in future gain what little solace she may from knowing that the monster who did such horrible things to her has received his just reward. The parents of the little girl will continue in outrage and sorrow, but they are able to see that justice has been promptly served. The community at large will affirm that justice is seen to be done.

The above description probably offends most modern Westerners, who would view it as a barbaric atavism, a reversion to cultural practices that we are supposed to have evolved beyond.

Yet many people will agree that this is true justice. It’s hard to determine how many, because we are all aware of what we are supposed to feel and think about such matters, and we all know the potential consequences for expressing an incorrect opinion. In my part of the world, at least, I would expect the vast majority of citizens would agree in such circumstances that justice had been done.

This is because justice in this form was the norm throughout the West until four or five generations ago, and had been for centuries, since the rule of law was first established in the nations of Europe. Yes, it’s true that in those days vigilante justice, official malfeasance, corruption, and other flaws marred the smooth flow of justice. But what I described above was the rough norm in the European diaspora up until the beginning of the 20th century.

That’s when everything changed. The science of penology was invented, prisons were transformed in penitentiaries and reformatories, and rehabilitation became the order of the day. The rights of accused criminals were extended and elaborated by judicial fiat, penalties were reduced, and many acknowledged criminals escaped scot-free, quite legally.

And justice was not seen to be done.

This is an anomalous situation. It is aberrant and abhorrent to the vast majority of citizens. Therefore it cannot sustain itself much longer.

As the sage Lao Tzu said two and half millennia ago:

This is not the way of Tao.
Whatever is contrary to Tao will not last long.

Justice must be seen to be done.

BT: Desirée Klein pÄ 19 Är blev i 2011 truet med en kniv, tvunget til oralsex og forsÞgt voldtaget af den 18-Ärige Ahmed Omar Mohamed

Desireé skal videre med sit liv: Vil mÞde sin voldtÊgtsmand igen

Da Desireé blev overfaldet, var hun en velfungerende og livsglad pige, der gik i 10. klasse. Efter tragedien har hun vÊret sygemeldt, og har ikke vÊret i stand til at gennemfÞre hverken studier eller uddannelse. Hun kan hverken koncentrere sig eller holde fokus.

Hun fÄr uventede tude- og rysteanfald, og synker ofte ned i dyb depression. Hun er ikke lÊngere i stand til selv at tage en bus ind til byen. Alt sammen pÄ grund af en voldtÊgtsforbryder, der Þdelagde hendes liv pÄ mindre end en time.

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Allan Hansen
Allan Hansen
10 years ago

Hej Steen er du til Gal Costa?

– Quem Te viu, quem Te VĂ©.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhSbBtGEDhQ

Allan Hansen
Allan Hansen
10 years ago
falkeĂžje
falkeĂžje
10 years ago

Det afgĂžrende nĂŠste gang er de nĂždvendige mandattal,
som krĂŠves til folkeafstemninger.
Det trÊnger vi alvorligt til at fÄ rigtig mange af.

falkeĂžje

Bjovulf
Bjovulf
10 years ago

Ny YouGov-meningsmÄling (17/ 6)

http://www.b.dk/berlingskebarometer

S: 16.0 % (!)
DF: 17.7 %
SF: 3.1 % (!)
R: 7.9 %
V: 30.4 %
K: 5.5 % (!)
LA: 5.5 %
EL: 13.1 % ( ??? 😀 )

Blokkene: 40.1 % ( S, R, SF, EL ) vs. 59.9 % (!!!) ( V, DF, K, LA )

Nu kan S & R altsÄ ikke engang TILSAMMEN (23.9) slÊbe sig op pÄ det niveau (24.8),
som S alene fik ved det seneste folketingsvalg ( 34.3 % tilsammen ).

Odd S.
Odd S.
10 years ago
Reply to  Bjovulf

Og vi kan fÄ (blÄt) flertal UDEN RV-light (=LA)!

Bjovulf
Bjovulf
10 years ago
Reply to  Odd S.

NĂ„, ja 😉

Men spÞrgsmÄlet er jo nok, om det ikke snarere pÄ mange punkter er K, der er RV-light?
Der er sgu ikke meget national, konservativ og kulturel bevidsthed tilbage i K nufortiden 😉

Hvilket hĂžjst sandsynligt er hovedĂ„rsagen til, at de pt. ligger nede pĂ„ sĂžlle 4 – 5 % –
nĂŠrmest konstant.

Morani ya Simba
Morani ya Simba
10 years ago

Den sag bĂžr naturligvis prĂžves ved HĂžjesteret.

Jeg synes de tre karakteristika for en fungerende stat er interessant. Den giver mening i mine Ăžjne. MĂ„ske jeg ville tilfĂžje et punkt om at magt bĂžr udgĂ„, og med mellemrum udtrykkes, fra folket. Men ellers ikke dĂ„rlig viderebygning pĂ„ Max Weber’s definition af staten som den der monopoliserer legitim fysisk magtanvendelse. Er det din, Steen?

falkeĂžje
falkeĂžje
10 years ago

Vi har to muligheder.
Enten bevĂŠbner den enkelte sig, uanset omkostningerne.
Eller ogsÄ danner vi en modstandsbevÊgelse, der
foretager sig det, som myndighederne ikke tĂžr og skal.

falkeĂžje

Thomas Bolding Hansen
10 years ago

Jeg kunne acceptere den korte straf, hvis man var 100 % sikker pÄ, at han aldrig gÞr noget lignende igen. Men han gÞr angiveligt noget forfÊrdeligt igen, mÄske slÄr han endda ihjel for at undgÄ vidner. SÄ han skal ud af landet, eller alternativt (hvis han var en dansk statsborger) have en forvaringsdom pÄ ubestemt tid.

Jernhesten
10 years ago

Og hvorfor syntes du sÄ ikke at kriminelle udlÊndinge kan fratages dansk statsborgerskab?

Som Ole Hasselbalch engang skrev:

” Ja, der findes endog en konvention, som tillader inddragelse af statsborgerskabet, nĂ„r vitale statshensyn tilsiger det. Det drejer sig om FN-konvention af 30/8 1960 – som Danmark i Ăžvrigt vistnok af den grund nĂŠgtede at tilslutte sig.

Der er kort sagt intet, som hindrer, at Folketinget genskaber anstĂŠndige forhold i Danmark.”

Polka Charlie
Polka Charlie
10 years ago

Hvis man tog ind pĂ„ KĂžbenhavns Universitet og overhĂžrte en forlĂŠsning eller fulgte en manuduktion i strafferet, civilproces, udlĂŠndingeret, forfatningsret, folkeret, ja faktisk hvad som helst – sĂ„ ville man forstĂ„ hvorfor retsvĂŠsen, ministerier osv. opfĂžrer sig som syge hunde. Den kulturmarxistiske indoktrinering lever i bedste velgĂ„ende der – og derfra spreder den sig og inficerer hele vores samfund. Skal der ske noget skal man nok starte med at kigge undervisere, forskere, professore mv. lidt i kortne. Det er desvĂŠrre ikke et rent dansk problem, det respekterede Columbia University ledes af rĂžde-terrorister, mordere og straffefanger – Harvard og Chicago er… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous
10 years ago
Reply to  Polka Charlie

Man kan nĂŠvne Frederik Harhoff, Jens Elo Rytte, Hanne Petersen og Ruth Nielsen her. Og sĂ„ kan man lĂŠse hvad de selv har skrevet i RetfĂŠrd. Niveauet er gymnasie fristile. For Ruth Nielsens vedkommende, at juraen skal bruges til at indfĂžrer socialisme/et progressivt samfund, sĂ„dan cirka, ved at anvende juraen som kampmiddel. Hanne Petersen og Ruth Nielsen er for tiden medlemmer af LigebehandlingsnĂŠvnet, og det kan sĂ„ bare konstateres at juraen bliver brugt som kampmiddel. I Ăžvrigt er det til at brĂŠkke sig over, at skriverier i en politisk pamflet som RetfĂŠrd, kan meritere til noget som helst, sidst af… Read more »

pk
pk
10 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Til Anonymous,
Jens Elo Rytter, foran universitet, vor frue plads , tror jeg det hedder.
Der har vÊret debat om, at f.eks tyrkiske familier fÄr over 200.000 kr. om Äret.

Denne hĂŠdersmand siger fĂžlgende :”Jamen der bliver jo forlangt noget af dem .
De skal jo stĂ„ til rĂ„dighed for arbejdsmarkedet.”

Jeg fik nĂŠsten et chock , og troede at jeg havde hĂžrt forkert.
Ikke noget at sige til, vi nok gÄr svÊre tider i mÞde.

I gamle dage var politikerne bekymret over det, som blev kaldt “ArbejdslĂžshedsĂžer”.
Nu giver de milliader for at stÄ til rÄdighed. Til udlÊndinge.

Crass BĂžrsting
Crass BĂžrsting
10 years ago

Danmark er ved at bryde sammen. Glistrup kunne forudse udviklingen for 40 Är siden. Den gennemsnitlige dansker har med en generations forsinkelse forstÄet, at noget er galt. Den gennemsnitlige politiker, dommer, embedsmand, DR-journalist osv. opfÞrer sig stadig, som om alt er i rimeligt god gÊnge.

Anonymous
Anonymous
10 years ago

Advokaten Jeppe Jepsen ser ud til at have smidt falske lodder i skÄlen, hvilket dommerne sÄ har grebet med kyshÄnd. Men lad os se den skrevne dom, dommerne kommer ikke uden om, direkte eller indirekte, at lÞfte slÞret pÄ det punkt.

Man kan advokatens hjemmeside se, at han blandt andet er medlem af bestyrelsen Skive Folkeblad. Det bliver man jo nok ikke uden at vĂŠre radigalning… Om jeg huske ret.

http://www.jeppe-jepsen.dk/

SĂ„ man kunne jo starte en boykott via fjĂŠsbog mod det blad. Og andre af advokatens samarbejdspartnere.

Anonymous
Anonymous
10 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

– Bestyrelsesformand i SIK-Elite A/S og Arco Grafisk A/S
– Sidder herudover i flere bestyrelser, bl.a. Skive Folkeblad G/S
– Fast dirigent ved bl.a. Dansk IdrĂŠtsforbunds ÅrsmĂžde, Dansk Camping Unions Ă„rsmĂžde mv.

E-mail: jj@jeppe-jepsen.dk

TRINE HØGEDAL, AdvokatfuldmÊgtig
– Cand. jur. fra Aarhus Universitet 2010
– Formand for JCI Skive 2013

http://www.jeppe-jepsen.dk/pages/presentation.asp?articleguid=10541

SkÄning
SkÄning
10 years ago

Jag tycker Baron Boddisey sammanfattar rĂ€ttsstatens principer och dess moralisk-filosofiska bakgrund, bĂ€ttre Ă€n vad Dostojevskij klarade pĂ„ 400+ sidor. Det Ă€r precis det hĂ€r det handlar om. FÖRTROENDE!

Ud med ham!
Ud med ham!
10 years ago

der er en underskrifts- indsamling igang her steen
http://www.skrivunder.net/signatures/udvis_voldtagtsmanden_ahmed_omar_mohamed/

update
update
10 years ago
Reply to  Ud med ham!

Den lille piges kusine har efterladt en kommentar pÄ underskriftsindsamlingen


Jeg er kusine til den 10 Ă„rige.
Hun er blevet lovet at hun aldrig nogensinde vil kunne stÞde ind pÄ ham,
det lĂžfte kan vi ikke holde nu..”

http://www.skrivunder.net/forum/53777#15
🙁

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